I'd bite for $30. It was fun to play a FPS game again.

Quit spooky, I think it is probably worth $45 but I am going to wait a couple months I think and nab it at $30. I bet there will be a price drop in time for Christmas or shortly there after. Either in retail or on Steam.

Played L4D demo today. I like easy mode. Pretty spooky game, but it runs well even on my old hardware.

I'm not sure that it's worth $45-50 though.

The German's managed to cure AIDS... for one guy at least.
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After manning up with NcJoker, aka Noncreativeman, I played through the 2 demo levels on L4D. If we have a 4 man team, it seems like this could be a pretty cool, also terrifying, game.

I'm not a big fan of them because I'm a giant pansy. I bought Doom 3, played it for two hours and said hell with this, it's too scary.

I haven't played it yet. I'm not a big fan of the horror/scare-you type fps games though.

I might be too much of a giant pansy for that game. It's unnerving.

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Yeah, I doubt I could until after finals. I'm going to have to cut back a lot now because of the amount of crap I have going.

I am somewhat interested. Not sure if I have the time to play a new game or not though ATM.

Any of you guys interested in Left 4 Dead? We can pre-purchase it on Steam and play a demo of it right now. Otherwise it's out in a little over a week.

The opinion of the founding fathers on whether the country would last or not is completely immaterial. The country has lasted for over 200 years and it has only lasted because of a respect for the well thought out rules laid out in the Constitution. Ignoring those rules results in the illegitimate, self-serving government that we have right now.

Revolutions are good and necessary when governments grow too large and powerful at the expense of personal and civil liberties. Government does not exist to make life fair or protect us from ourselves.

The Constitution absolutely is a living document but it changes through Amendments and Supreme Court decisions. Congress and the President do not get to interpret the Constitution to suit their latest whims. If we're going to have a huge government, they included a path for changing the Constitution and that path is through Amendments. They are extremely difficult to pass for a reason. If Universal Healthcare is supposed to be up there with the rest of the Bill of Rights then the path is clear, but I haven't heard any talk of amending the Constitution so UHC will continue to be illegal under this country's rule of law.

As for socialism, I think there is a huge conflict of interest in allowing the lower and middle-lower class majority in America to decide what to do with succesful peoples' money. What poor person isn't going to say "I want that tax rebate, even though I don't have a tax burden"? Obama is essentially stealing money and I feel that the minority and "working class" votes that he won are based largely on these peoples' greed. I can't blame them for taking the handout, but that doesn't mean the handout is the right thing to do and it definitely doesn't make the handout legal at a federal level.

Globalization does not require a larger government. Increasing populating requires more employees, but not larger government influence in personal and civil matters. But, supposing that these two things do require a larger government, the larger government should be handled at the state level. The Constitution is the final word on this matter and it is crystal clear. The 10th Amendment says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I'm not saying Obama is socialist. His opinions were no more socialist than McCain's. I am in favor of legitimate socialism.

One of the other big opinions I have as far as the founding fathers are concerned is that they did not believe the country would last this long. Jefferson said revolutions were a good thing that should happen frequently. The document that he and others prepared was not intended to be the final stop.

Also, a lot has changed in 221 years. The population density and increased national and globalization requires a more interactive government. There will never be a return to small government in this country and there absolutely should not be.

The framers of this country intended for the Federal government to be small and limited for a reason. However, both parties have been ignoring their wisdom for quite some time.

Socialism, or whatever Obama's ideas can rightly be called (they certainly don't fit the dictionary definition of socialism) should be decided at the state level and not the Federal level.

And I completely disagree with that Ford quote. Socialism FTW.

I'll agree to disagree on that one.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." - Ford

YES WE CAN!

I'm enjoying it quite a bit too. Unfortunately I haven't had the time to play much with them the last few days.

Same. I'm on vent with them right now.

How are you guys liking this new guild? They do help get you as much xp as possible and new items. I am enjoying it a lot.